Podcast Episode #49

Paula Scanlan

Swimmer at the University of Pennsylvania

Paula opens up about her experiences as a swimmer at the University of Pennsylvania, including her time competing alongside Lia Thomas, a transgender athlete. President Trump’s administration has recently denied $175 million in grants to the University of Pennsylvania, where Thomas competed. Paula shares the challenges and frustrations she faced during the competition against someone who had gone through male puberty in women’s sports. She discusses the physical and emotional toll it took on her and her teammates, as well as the internal conflict within the sport. Paula speaks passionately about her ongoing efforts to advocate for the preservation of fairness in women’s sports, emphasizing the need for policies that protect female athletes and ensure competition remains equitable.

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Swimming Against the Tide: Paula Scanlan’s Story of Courage and Conviction

In a compelling interview with former NFL player Derek Wolf, former University of Pennsylvania swimmer Paula Scanlan shared her remarkable journey and the controversial events that unfolded during her collegiate swimming career. Her story provides a unique insider perspective on one of the most discussed topics in collegiate athletics.

Early Years and Athletic Journey

Paula’s swimming journey began like many others – with childhood swimming lessons between ages two and four. Growing up in Connecticut with immigrant parents, particularly a Taiwanese mother who prioritized academics, Paula’s athletic pursuits were initially viewed merely as “a hobby that you put on your resume.” However, her talent in the pool soon became undeniable.

Her high school career was marked by remarkable achievements, including a state championship and setting a record in the 400-yard freestyle that remains unbroken to this day. As she describes it, “It was the coolest thing ever because it was a freshman, a sophomore, a junior, and a senior…quite literally that four of us were never going to be part of that team in any other year.”

The Penn Decision

With 12 AP classes under her belt and a strong academic record, Paula chose the University of Pennsylvania, balancing her mother’s emphasis on prestigious education with her desire to compete at the Division I level. The Ivy League provided the perfect middle ground for her aspirations.

The Turning Point

Everything changed during Paula’s sophomore year. In what seemed like an ordinary team meeting, a member of the men’s team made an announcement that would alter the course of her collegiate experience. As Paula recounts, “He looks at us and in under 30 seconds, just looks at the entire room and says, ‘Hey guys, I just wanted to let you guys all know that I’m transgender. I will be transitioning to your team next season.'”

The Aftermath

The immediate reaction from her teammates was supportive applause, but Paula found herself in a state of disbelief. “I’m choking back laughter ’cause I’m 19 years old – what am I supposed to think?” she recalls. “I turn around my entire team clapping… and I’m sitting there thinking, does nobody else think this is crazy?”

Speaking Out and Facing Consequences

When the situation continued to escalate, Paula took a brave step by reaching out to OutKick.com. She shared her story with writer Joe Kinsey, hoping to bring attention to the challenges her team was facing. However, this decision came with significant personal cost.

The university’s response was swift and severe. In a mandatory team meeting (notably without the presence of the male athlete), administrators warned the women that speaking out could have serious consequences. As Paula describes, “They started the meeting off by saying, ‘We understand there’s a lot going on right now, but [supporting the transition] is a non-negotiable.'”

The Price of Speaking Up

The repercussions for Paula were immediate and personal. Her teammates began to distance themselves, refusing to room with her at meets. She was excluded from senior class photos, and the isolation became palpable. Yet, remarkably, Paula maintains a positive perspective on these challenging experiences: “I’m actually really grateful for the experience… if they hadn’t isolated me like that, I wouldn’t have felt alone… and I wouldn’t have had the time to think about why it was so important to talk about this.”

Solutions and Moving Forward

When discussing potential solutions, Paula advocates for simple, non-invasive approaches. “You can know your DNA from a cheek swab,” she points out, comparing it to the frequent COVID testing they underwent during her college years: “We had to COVID test with a nose twice a week at the University of Pennsylvania. We just need one cheek swab when you show up at 18 years old as a freshman.”

A Legacy of Courage

Today, Paula continues to speak out about her experiences, advocating for fair competition in women’s sports. Her story represents more than just a personal account; it highlights the complex challenges facing collegiate athletics and the courage required to stand up for one’s convictions, even in the face of institutional pressure and social isolation.

What makes Paula’s story particularly compelling is not just the controversy itself, but her resilience in the face of adversity. Despite facing ostracization from her teammates and pressure from her institution, she maintained her stance and continues to advocate for what she believes is right.

The Broader Impact

Paula’s experience at Penn has become a touchstone in the larger discussion about fairness in women’s sports. As Derek Wolf noted in the interview, the NCAA’s decisions have far-reaching implications: “All these high schools and these youth leagues, they’re gonna follow the lead of the NCAA… there’s a lot of responsibility there to make sure you make the right choice.”

This story serves as a reminder of the complex intersections between athletics, institutional policies, and individual rights. It also highlights the importance of having difficult conversations about fairness and inclusion in sports, even when those conversations come at a personal cost.

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Episode

Paula Scanlan

Connect With Paula:

INSTAGRAM: @paulayscanlan

Independent Women’s Forum: https://www.iwf.org/female-athlete-stories/paula-scanlan/

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